Comments on: The Need to be Against http://www.chuckp3.com/2006/10/the-need-to-be-against/ thinking out loud about life, art and imitating Jesus Sun, 11 Jul 2010 00:57:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Emily http://www.chuckp3.com/2006/10/the-need-to-be-against/#comment-384 Emily Thu, 12 Oct 2006 04:45:00 +0000 http://clyonspardue.wordpress.com/2006/10/11/the-need-to-be-against/#comment-384 ps. family values means whatever Dobson says it means. Duh. ps. family values means whatever Dobson says it means. Duh.

]]> By: Emily http://www.chuckp3.com/2006/10/the-need-to-be-against/#comment-383 Emily Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:18:00 +0000 http://clyonspardue.wordpress.com/2006/10/11/the-need-to-be-against/#comment-383 I think Kara's reflection is the biblical approach that I'm most comfortable with. <br/><br/>Yet, I get so tired of calling the wrong wrong. Or, I guess I get tired of trying to get others to see the wrong that is wrong. Living the right seems to be a much more comfortable (philosophically) way to deal with evil. Such as praying and offering reconciliation with those who may be living out the sin in their lives. The truth is, its much easier to point fingers at wrong and often our motives convert from the biblical call to name evil to protecting ourselves from any naming coming our way. Its really hard to just live right and be redemptive in living and naming the evil by offering reconciliation and redemption. <br/><br/>I like what you both have to say. I think Kara’s reflection is the biblical approach that I’m most comfortable with.

Yet, I get so tired of calling the wrong wrong. Or, I guess I get tired of trying to get others to see the wrong that is wrong. Living the right seems to be a much more comfortable (philosophically) way to deal with evil. Such as praying and offering reconciliation with those who may be living out the sin in their lives. The truth is, its much easier to point fingers at wrong and often our motives convert from the biblical call to name evil to protecting ourselves from any naming coming our way. Its really hard to just live right and be redemptive in living and naming the evil by offering reconciliation and redemption.

I like what you both have to say.

]]> By: matt http://www.chuckp3.com/2006/10/the-need-to-be-against/#comment-382 matt Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:45:00 +0000 http://clyonspardue.wordpress.com/2006/10/11/the-need-to-be-against/#comment-382 Nice post Charlie. I appreciated Carr's post because I think we need more OT prophet types to point out the reticence of contemporary Christians (mostly on the right these days) to point out fault from within their own ranks. The majority of Christians in this country are seriously off track these days, and it's time more of us pointed that out emphatically. I think Carr, and the Sojo types in general, can tend to err a bit too much by buying into the contemporary American political mantra of two parties or else, but I think that's a different gripe. I agree it'd be nice to see Dobson and his ilk pray for redemption, forgiveness, transformation, etc., but I also think Dobson's use of this scandal to smear homosexulas even more is regrettable. And his reticence to criticize the Republican leadership, whom he claims to have delivered victory the last few election cycles, in light of their cover-up about obvious predatory actions against minor illustrates for me once again how his enamoration with political power has clouded his better judgment. What does family values mean anyway? Ugh. Nice post Charlie. I appreciated Carr’s post because I think we need more OT prophet types to point out the reticence of contemporary Christians (mostly on the right these days) to point out fault from within their own ranks. The majority of Christians in this country are seriously off track these days, and it’s time more of us pointed that out emphatically. I think Carr, and the Sojo types in general, can tend to err a bit too much by buying into the contemporary American political mantra of two parties or else, but I think that’s a different gripe. I agree it’d be nice to see Dobson and his ilk pray for redemption, forgiveness, transformation, etc., but I also think Dobson’s use of this scandal to smear homosexulas even more is regrettable. And his reticence to criticize the Republican leadership, whom he claims to have delivered victory the last few election cycles, in light of their cover-up about obvious predatory actions against minor illustrates for me once again how his enamoration with political power has clouded his better judgment. What does family values mean anyway? Ugh.

]]> By: Kara http://www.chuckp3.com/2006/10/the-need-to-be-against/#comment-381 Kara Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:07:00 +0000 http://clyonspardue.wordpress.com/2006/10/11/the-need-to-be-against/#comment-381 ha ha. No, honestly, I'm grateful to ol' Jim. I wasn't sure what to think about sexually harrassing minors. Phew. <br/><br/>You WOULD be about fluffy love and smileys. <br/><br/><br/>Okay, seriously, you're right. Well said. ha ha. No, honestly, I’m grateful to ol’ Jim. I wasn’t sure what to think about sexually harrassing minors. Phew.

You WOULD be about fluffy love and smileys.

Okay, seriously, you’re right. Well said.

]]> By: Charlie http://www.chuckp3.com/2006/10/the-need-to-be-against/#comment-380 Charlie Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:15:00 +0000 http://clyonspardue.wordpress.com/2006/10/11/the-need-to-be-against/#comment-380 I of course only meant fluffy love and smileys though.<br/><br/>But seriously, of course you only speak of redemption <i>because of</i> the sinfulness of something. If there was nothing wrong with what Foley did I wouldn't be talking about redemption. It just seems unnecessary for someone like James Dobson to come out and clarify that sexually harassing a teenage boy is wrong. We all know that. And when that's all he has to say on the subject it becomes obvious that what he's saying is more about maintaining <i>his own</i> image as "pro-family" (whatever that means) than really saying anything to Foley. I of course only meant fluffy love and smileys though.

But seriously, of course you only speak of redemption because of the sinfulness of something. If there was nothing wrong with what Foley did I wouldn’t be talking about redemption. It just seems unnecessary for someone like James Dobson to come out and clarify that sexually harassing a teenage boy is wrong. We all know that. And when that’s all he has to say on the subject it becomes obvious that what he’s saying is more about maintaining his own image as “pro-family” (whatever that means) than really saying anything to Foley.

]]> By: Kara http://www.chuckp3.com/2006/10/the-need-to-be-against/#comment-379 Kara Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:48:00 +0000 http://clyonspardue.wordpress.com/2006/10/11/the-need-to-be-against/#comment-379 That's a gracious post. I am chastised and challenged by what you say. <br/><br/>[What follows are my meandering thoughts, which grow weirdly sermonic. If you've already been to church this week, there's no need to continue reading ...]<br/><br/><br/>I don't want to misunderstand OR be misunderstood, though, I will just say in general that redemption isn't just talking about fluffy love and smileys. Redemption is the path that is available after judgment. It is the mercy offered when punishment is deemed due. That's what I think both sides of the Christian spectrum miss: calling sin sin (or injustice injustice; or dishonesty dishonesty) is PART of acting mercifully. We don't have the option of either ignoring it or judging it. We call it wrong IN ORDER to make available a new, merciful, right way. That’s a gracious post. I am chastised and challenged by what you say.

[What follows are my meandering thoughts, which grow weirdly sermonic. If you've already been to church this week, there's no need to continue reading ...]

I don’t want to misunderstand OR be misunderstood, though, I will just say in general that redemption isn’t just talking about fluffy love and smileys. Redemption is the path that is available after judgment. It is the mercy offered when punishment is deemed due. That’s what I think both sides of the Christian spectrum miss: calling sin sin (or injustice injustice; or dishonesty dishonesty) is PART of acting mercifully. We don’t have the option of either ignoring it or judging it. We call it wrong IN ORDER to make available a new, merciful, right way.

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